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Garden of Eden Location


Letter From Itia

To the school of theology, the Garden of Eden is a supernatural place on dry land that is protected by a two edged sword so that no one can enter it ever again.  To modern science, the Garden of Eden is about 140 meters below the current sea level just beyond the Persian Gulf.  The bible says, “Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.[...] The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush. The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria And the fourth river is the Euphrates.”

The Tigris and Euphrates make up two of those rivers, and they both flow into the Persian Gulf.  The other two disappeared with the end of the last ice age.  Sea level before the end of the last ice age was 140 meters below where it is now.  It was not until we had public satellite imagery that could view the topology of the land under water.  Now we can see the topology of the sea floor on Google maps (when you use satellite view).  You can clearly see the ancient riverbeds on the seabed floor.  The Garden of Eden is somewhere around 21.506230, 61.867675

Garden of Eden Location

Location of the Garden of Eden

It is deep under the current sea level of the sea between Oman, Pakistan and India.  Our ancestors were not kicked out of the garden by an angel with a two edged sword.  They were kicked out by the rising waters from the last ice age.  As the waters rose, they retreated from the garden to the present day shores of Oman, then into present day Saudi Arabia.

The picture below gives more detail on the sea shore that our ancestors lived on, and how they could have percieved they were being “kicked out” by the rising waters.  Gihon River and Pishon River are east/west at this location, (see the ancient riverbeds that are now submerged in the sea?) and the Tigris and Euphrates, that now flow into the Persian Gulf north of this location, flowed down the southern face of the Persian Gulf, right through Eden.

Garden of Eden

No school of education has more to be embarrassed about than the school of Theology.  Schools have a duty to pursue the truth and to amend their curriculum as the truth is further uncovered.  Because of the belief in the literal word of god, the study of theology is stuck in a frozen status, incorrect information is continued to be taught because of fear of change even when truth is staring you in the face.  If you are simply teaching what has been taught to you without any additional independent thought, then you are not a school of religion, you are an indoctrination of religion.  Let me give a prime example of this crippling effect that keeps even the most publicly known truths out of the theology lesson book.  The Garden of Eden.

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  1. March 16, 2010 at 6:54 pm | #1

    Interesting info, yet a bit off the mark. The four rivers you’ve shown converge on the stated location. The book of Genesis tells of a river flowing *out* of Eden and *diverging” to four “heads”. Please visit the “Re-GENESIS NOW Project” at my site and particularly:
    http://www.global-report.com/thehope/a80-chapter-1-exegesis-for-parashat-bereshit
    in order to understand the topology of the Garden of Eden and see other idea about its location, past and future (not a likely place for apples anyway).

    • March 16, 2010 at 7:42 pm | #2

      Really? An educated man leaning only on the phrase “flowing out” as the reason for discounting my research? Flowing out could only mean a spring at the garden, or a mistake over the years in that the rivers converged in Eden and then flowed into the sea. Either way, the key to my research is that rising ocean levels are what kicked the tribe out of the garden. Most researchers ignore the sea level information of the time and look much farther north, on dry land, for Eden.

      Go down the Euphrates and Tigris river basins and look for the other two river beds. You can conclude “magically disappearing” or “under sea” as the only two logical conclusions of the true location of this tribe of early humans. If they had been much farther north when the water rose, Eden would not have vanished from the face of the earth. It would still be around in much the same way Mecca is still around. Also important to mention is that if Eden was further north, it is very likely that the Hebrews would never have stumbled on Egypt. They would have followed the food and good grazing to the Black Sea area or the north side of the Mediterranean Sea.

      Instead they became nomadic and wandered Saudi Arabia until they scouted the Nile River valley.

  2. William Herschel II, Esq.
    March 19, 2010 at 4:18 pm | #3

    This is not “research” this is a very short “theory” that is not backed by any sources. Shame on you.

    • March 19, 2010 at 5:38 pm | #4

      William,

      Thank you for your short comment. ItiA is a solutions based blog. The “theories” set forth in this blog are meant to summarize research that has been done. I am guessing that you are a Christian since you did not respond with a positive rebuttal that includes an alternative solution. You simply choose to attempt to discredit without any substance.

      For future reference, you might want to say WHY you disagree, rather than just a comment like “Shame on you” which helps no one if it is levied without a base statement of fact that discredits the statement you are slamming. Do you adhere to the standard Christian philosophy that Eden is a magic place hidden from everyone, but on dry land here on earth? If so, that is exactly why I wrote this blog, so please offer another viable alternative solution or simply move on.

      To the rest of my readers, William is the exact type of person who has authority in our nation. Harsh and without logic. Intentions of cruelty instead of progress. Centered on himself rather than on the minds and hearts of those who read his interjection.

  3. Thomas
    March 26, 2010 at 9:09 am | #5

    An intriguing theory of the place of Eden, and well worth considering. In fact, quite convincing. I’ve been an ordain pastor for almost 20 years and consider myself conservative in my theology and orthodox in my beliefs. I, however, am not a literalist. Thank you for your research, and I don’t personally believe it contradicts the truth of Scripture at all, if one takes into account the purpose of Scripture (a book of faith about faith that uses history as a BASIS for that faith-telling journey). i.e., not a history book but a book that teaches us a LOT about history by what’s recorded in it. In fact, it is the most accurate and complete ancient document in history.

    I take issue, though, with your comment about William as being “the exact type of person who has authority in our nation.” This, I’m afraid, is where you go from research to personal opinion that has no basis in fact. Although William was perhaps out of line and incorrect in his comment, you are also. You call him and his exact type “harsh” and “cruel” and “centered on himself?” And your ability to read into his heart is based on, what, the words “shame on you?” which sounds more like a mild reprimand from a grandmother than a cruel dictator.

    In any case, your credibility is not helped when you move from your research to such suppositions and presumptions. Next time, please stop before your your last paragraph to William, and perhaps you’ll influence more readers of Williams “exact type.

    • March 26, 2010 at 9:49 am | #6

      Thank you for your comment. I do agree with your comments about “William”. Please understand that hatemail is the #1 response from Christian organizations who read my blog. I post any comment with an intellectual basis in thought, but have to deal with so many emails like, “your going to hell and you deserve it”, or “your obviously possessed by the devil” or “I am praying that god kills you” that they can influence my responses.

      Even though we disagree about the scripture being accurate or complete, I do appreciate the human qualities you have in your rebuttal.

  4. Tracy Boggs
    May 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm | #7

    According to Biblical records, Adam and Eve were long gone when the first accounts of any major flood were recorded. It was at least 7356 years later (Gen 5). I do not believe that your work needs to be discredited in any manner, but I do believe that you are wrong about how the first humans were evicted from the Garden of Eden. I do see how the current shoreline would have come to be as the result of a flood, but I think your timing is just a little bit off.

    • May 19, 2010 at 8:20 am | #8

      The flood you are referring to did happen much later. The sea levels at the time of Adam and Eve were 140 meters lower than current sea level. The biblical record of the “Angel with the two edged sword” probably referred to the massive rise in water coming over the cliffs where the Persian Gulf now resides and the rise of the sea from the south. There is no doubt that humans were evicted from their seaside homes 7000+ years ago.

      The main reason why I posted this location is to show researchers that they should stop looking north of the Persian Gulf for the garden of eden location. The persian gulf did not exist at the time of Adam and Eve’s tribe.

  5. Sam
    July 28, 2010 at 12:56 pm | #9

    Itia, I would like to preface this by saying I agree with how you feel about the nonsense of religious versions of history, science, et cetera. Also, I think you’ve done some good work here. You got me thinking about it, because frankly, I’d always just assumed that Eden was where the so-called Biblical scholars said it was, even if I didn’t believe the mumbo-jumbo about the snake and the angels and all that.

    The area which you point out as submerged riverbeds is not, in fact, submerged riverbeds. It is a scar left behind from the Indian Plate’s northward thrust into the Eurasian Plate (resulting in the Himalayas), which was long before any human beings were around to wonder about it. You point out that the sea levels were 140 meters lower in “Adam’s time,” and I do not dispute this. However, 140 meters (~460 feet) still leaves about 500 meters before even the tallest peak in your area of interest will come above water.

    More likely, the Persian/Arabian Gulf is the location for the Garden of Eden. The depth is right for the 140 meters of additional sea level to make such a difference to the inhabitants of the time. Also, in terms of geomorphology, it is where one would expect to find a lush river valley in the “recent” past, before being flooded by the incoming sea. (Which, at minimum, took decades.) Where the Persian/Arabian Gulf spills into Gulf of Oman would have been the ancient coastline and delta. The glaciation in the north would have done a great job holding down global temperatures enough to allow this area to be lush and temperate. The time-frame is pretty congruent with this notion and the area’s current state.

    So I don’t agree with all the specifics of your idea, I definitely agree that anyone looking for Eden on land is looking in the wrong place, and you are right to be looking in the water for it.

  6. Tim
    September 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm | #10

    lettersfromitia :
    Thank you for your comment. I do agree with your comments about “William”. Please understand that hatemail is the #1 response from Christian organizations who read my blog. I post any comment with an intellectual basis in thought, but have to deal with so many emails like, “your going to hell and you deserve it”, or “your obviously possessed by the devil” or “I am praying that god kills you” that they can influence my responses.
    Even though we disagree about the scripture being accurate or complete, I do appreciate the human qualities you have in your rebuttal.

    Sir, you speak of hate mail from Christian organizations and then you give some examples. If you knew anything about Christianity or Christians, you would recognize that Christians would not send you such “hate mail”. Those organizations/people may think they are Christians or call themselves Christians, but those remarks do not come from people that have the love of God in their hearts and therefore are not Christians.
    It would be interesting to learn where the garden actually was located, but the physical garden location has nothing to due with the message of salvation that the Bible brings to mankind.
    It does appear to me that you are trying, in a subtle way, to discredit the Bible and its message. You liken the “angel with a two edged sword” as to rising waters that drove Adam and Eve from the garden. The Bible clearly states in Genesis 3:23-24 that God drove them from the garden and then placed angels and a flaming sword at the garden to prevent them from returning.
    Please continue your research and in doing so, I pray you will find the truth.

    • September 11, 2011 at 8:06 pm | #11

      Tim. Thanks for your comments.

      You are part of the minority of Christians who must now walk on rice paper. Surrounded by so many extremists who claim you same belief, that you must step ever so cautiously with your words.

      I wrote this blog because I found out that science discovered that our oceans were not at the same levels during the period of time at which Adam and Eve’s tribe were living. I found it obvious that the rivers that cannot be located were most likely under the surface of the ocean now.

      As for “the flaming sword”… in most cases of spoken history and mythology, a flaming sword or fire words, or raining fire, typically refer to an even of a volcano / lava flow. In rare cases it refers to a meteor.

      Lastly, even though I do not believe in god or the diety of a Jesus., I do understand the words and messages of the Bible. Thank you for being a true Christian in the sense that you seem to be living by the messsage of the Bible. I wish that all Christians were like you.

      Itia

  7. Lou
    October 8, 2011 at 6:48 pm | #12

    Can the garden be located in the Holy City New Jersualem?

    • November 2, 2011 at 11:54 pm | #13

      No possibility whatsoever. At the time of eden tribe the place known as “jerusalem” now was just a remote place far from the seafront. Little or no inhabitatnts.

  8. Bill Smith
    January 2, 2012 at 6:49 pm | #14

    Enjoyed this blog. I am a christian who has considered that the location of the garden must have been in the gulf or near the area you have indecated. I want to ask you to please forgive those of my brothers who behave badly. When a man becomes a christian he does no suddenly love as he should. He is still a human with the same human failings as others. In time if he studies the Word of God and truly comes to love the nature of God and his Christ he should begain to embrace that nature and grow in it. Some never do and othres of us take a lifetime. I hope you will not allow the bad conduct a some to shade your opeion of us all my friend. Thank you for you research I think you have come closser to the truth than most of us…………………………..Afriendofyours

  9. Tim P
    March 28, 2012 at 2:54 pm | #15

    Can you mark in the picture where you say the other 2 rivers are flowing from the east, so I can see wheer you are referring too?

  10. Tim P
    March 28, 2012 at 3:00 pm | #17

    I think those who say, it is not likely the original location of the garden isn’t under water should consider other factors. First off I don’t buy the Ice Age theory at all.

    However, there is proof that a flood did hit this area. The bible claims it flooded the earth. Right now, Let’s just stick with this area. Flood of Ice Age whichever one you believe, the results is the Euphrates and Tigris were big enough to handle large amounts of water, while the other 2 rivers were likely swallowed by a larger amount of water, as any small river would be. Assuming this other rivers had low banks that allowed for more standing water, they could easily disappear. But the sediments of the original river can be seen.

    I think you have a very good concept of the though and I think your photo could be reasonably close. Based on locations of characters mentioned in the bible, they settle in regions that still carry those names today, and they are reasonably close to this area.

    • March 29, 2012 at 12:29 am | #18

      Its a bit hard to have an “Ice Age” debate with the Bible as the only reference. For some strange reason, all the geological evidence does not fit the Bible story. The geological evidence shows many floods. The history of all the nations in the area have a flood story similar to Noah.

    • Lou
      March 30, 2012 at 3:36 am | #19

      The soward is mentioned in Rev as protecting the entrance to New Jerusalem.
      Eden is was there. Think Big. The rivers are there too.

      • March 31, 2012 at 12:21 am | #20

        Yes, the magic sword and the “invisible place” on our planet. The idea that the garden of Eden is still on earth, still lush in a region that is now desert is laughable. “and the lord god blinded the eye of every satellite and every geological team for all times” hahaha

  11. J Knight
    May 14, 2013 at 5:43 pm | #21

    Hello Itia,

    I know this is an old blog, but anyways lol… It’s new to me :)

    The term christian is used so loosely nowadays, i just refer to myself as a Saint. I am a firm believer of the bible and everything that is written within it. I also believe that there is truth to science. I believe true science (not a theory) just explains how God did what He did, for a lack of better words. For example, I’m pretty sure there WAS a “Big Bang” when God created the Heavens and the Earth. Another example is the Shettles Method on how to have a baby boy or girl (http://www.in-gender.com/Gender-Selection/Shettles/Shettles_Girl.aspx), which I have personally tested to be true. I believe everything I say, but I don’t say everything I believe. As far as the Ice Age, I don’t know if I believe that part. I do, however, believe that there was an Ice Age, as well as a Jurassic Age.

    I say all this to say that I believe you have a point in the fact that The Garden of Eden may have liely been under water. Sam, however, made a comment that it basically would have had to of been a lot lower than that based on the location that you selected. So I did a little research of my own and wanted to know your opinion on it. Do you think that perhaps the Garden could of been located in the area of what we now know as the northern coast of the Persian Gulf? The reason I say this is because of a map I located (http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/) that showed a time line of how the gulf waters arose, and based on another comment that Tracy Boggs made about the first “recorded” flood being at least 7356 years prior to Adam and Eve. Let me know what you think. Thanks!

    • J Knight
      May 14, 2013 at 7:16 pm | #22

      Corrections:

      “So I did a little MORE research and wanted to know your opinion on it. Do you think that perhaps the Garden could of been located in the area of what we now know as Israel and Jordan? It was also shown in that map where they located the Pison River, which is pretty accurate since it was said in the bible that the Pison River “compasseth the whole land of Havilah… (Genesis 2:10-14)” But it also says that the Gishon river “compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia,” which I found another map to show this passing through the Red Sea at a time the sea levels were also lower (http://www.kjvbible.org/rivers_of_the_garden_of_eden.html). This would make sense, since the bible said the rivers went out of Eden, or flowed south. This would also bring a lot of clarity as to why that land is so important to Jews AND Muslims, namely Jerusalem, which is on the West Bank between Israel and Jordan.

      Let me know what you think

      J Knight

      • May 19, 2013 at 7:02 am | #23

        Impossible. The land of Caanan was at the end of the wanderings of the Jewish people’s history. The earliest recorded history of their nation starts in the lower parts of Saudi Arabia. The idea that the garden is in Israel is a myth started in order to create a new tourist destination in Israel. “pretty sick, right?”

  12. Muroki
    August 11, 2013 at 3:42 am | #24

    It takes on form like clay under a seal and stands out like a garment,from the wicked their light is withheld and the upraised arm is broken. Who can understand the location of Eden leave alone the garden? Leave alone the scientific fiction hinden by medievals,the devil with all its powers CAN’T LOCATE the Garden of Eden.The Bible itself is written from Gen to Rev in a twisted way to hide this Garden from the notion of devil.Its more than a garden you think off thats why it was removed from the face of the Earth, for more information this is where the River of Gold is but know the Garden is still on Earth and more importantly in AFRICAN DESERTS,It wasn’t so UTILL THE APPOINTED TIME. But who is qualified to see it? Who can reach it? Its guarded by the Great Angels of War.Solomon himself says in his last verses of Proverb:There is something hinden on Earth,people will moel and toil to see but they won’t. Ooo.,..Daniel, seal that book for it is for the appointed time,Oh! that it contains the same informtion!! Now call me CRYING MAN.Just know what happened to the Garden of Eden is about the war that occured in Heaven ………and Adam sinned and they where removed from the Eden and it was hinden completly …..,…..and it is there, Oh…. that it will be the Forever LAND OF THE LIVING once I will reavel it! Oh!.,.that it is The PARADISE of Christ !! Oh!!.tha it has Jerusalem City with One Great Gate! Call it The Holy Sanctuary of The LORD OF HOSTS OF HEAVENS,The ANCIENT OF DAYS,HER name is GOD OF ISRAEL. Are you amyzed. Fear NOT Oo you Son of man for my Message is the Message of Truth.Will I tell you the location of garden of Eden No its null and void reason,its only kown to me, first,lets the world rapture come.

    • August 11, 2013 at 7:58 am | #25

      Be they zombies of a fairy tale deity…..oh how they wax poetic. They are the foot soldiers of their masters. The true believers. Those who die and kill for their human bosses who claim to represent god itself.

      First the fear, then the mystery of all possible kinks in their armor….then comes the requests for money. It’s so sickening to the stomach to know that these zombies work for masters who are just as human as you and me. Masters who are predators of the weak minded and afraid. Masters who thrive on money and power.

      God is the best marketing tool ever invented. Never before has a product so fraudulent been on the market for so long, and created so much profit, for such evil purposes.

      Muroki said the truth is hidden. YOU ARE CORRECT. You are blind to the truth and you serve those who are responsible for more murder and war than any other group in the history of mankind. Write a poem about that!!!!

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