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Dr. Eben Alexander the newest Christian fad


The tedious part of being an atheist is having to read through the piles of new crap put out by superstitious people in the name of a fake god, just in order to make sure that everyone who searches for information on the “new miracle” can get the truth.

I have read the reports on Dr Eben Alexander’s claim, and I am here to set the record straight on this fraud.

It should be noted that Dr. Alexander may indeed believe his own fraud. But what I do not understand is why he would make such simple mistakes in his assumptions after having so much training in the fields of Neuroscience. He indeed had a vivid dream, but even with the basic understanding of the human brain you will see that it was only a dream.

Lets first go over his claims so that we can prove my statement with his own words.

1) He is a self professed Christian
2) He attended Duke University who’s moto is “Knowledge and Religion”
3) “According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent,” Alexander writes in the cover story of this week’s edition of Newsweek.

With just those three facts, we can prove that he is mistaken about his motive for the dream, his life experiences that create3d the content for the dream, and the basis of fact that proves this experience was indeed just a dream.

Firstly, Dr. Eben Alexander is a Christian who has has much interaction and training on the afterlife. It is something that is rooted in his core memories and beliefs. As a Neurosurgeon you are shown day after day that life is chaos and that there is no miracles…..only a few coincidences. You see every day that positive mental attitude and the love of friends is the real healing power. All the prayer in the world does not change the facts and logic of our life. Even with all this evidence, he still holds on to his superstitions about a god child sacrificed for him. He still believes that he was “chosen” for a positive afterlife and that the majority of humans will burn in hell for eternity.

Next we have the facts that Dr. Eben Alexander has attended countless sermons growing up that influenced his belief about what happens when you die. He went to UNC and Duke which are both in communities with extreme superstition and religion, and both have huge theology programs. Again, the content for his dreams and the belief about what happens at death are well established in Dr. Alexander’s mind.

Lastly, as a Neurosurgeon , he knew that going into the emergency room with bacterial meningitis, that there was a very good chance he was going to die.

So when he entered the hospital and began receiving drugs that would manage his body while killing the infection, he entered into a dream state of the subconscious that was based in his belief systems. He believed he was dying. He believed he was a Christian and was going to heaven. his mind ran the EOL (end of life) program.

This is the point at which Dr. Alexander ignores all of his training and teaching and basically lies to the public to make his story more exiting.

He states”there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma” in reference to his Neocortex shutting down. For all of us who don’t know the Neocortex, it is involved in higher functions such as sensory perception, generation of motor commands, spatial reasoning, conscious thought and language.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH DREAMS!!!!! Dreams come from deep in the back of the brain. A team from the University Hospital of Zurich, Switzerland, made the discovery after treating a woman who stopped dreaming after she had a stroke. It had affected an area deep in the back of the brain – and they suggest this is the area controlling dreaming.

So in truth, Dr. Alexanders brain was locked out of conscious thoughts, motor commands, spatial reasoning, and language….so the brain was completely focused on the subconscious dream center. So Dr. Alexander’s statement about not being able to dream up such an story is not only a lie, but it is highly likely since that was the part of the brain still functioning at the time. Just like every other organ and muscle in the body….if one part is broken, the body compensates by focusing more on the remaining , working areas.

Two other VERY IMPORTANT FACTS about his non-working Neocortex and his dream.

1) The Neocortex controls language. He had no ability to think about language. HIS DREAM HAD NO LANGUAGE.

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as: “You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever.”

2) The Neocortex controls spacial reasoning: He dreamed of a boundless expanse. Limitless. Of course he did because his concept of space and time was not functioning.

Then in a final and stunning slap in the face to all the medical sciences he states….
There is no scientific explanation for the fact that while my body lay in coma, my mind—my conscious, inner self—was alive and well. While the neurons of my cortex were stunned to complete inactivity by the bacteria that had attacked them, my brain-free consciousness journeyed to another, larger dimension of the universe: a dimension I’d never dreamed existed and which the old, pre-coma me would have been more than happy to explain was a simple impossibility.

How could a doctor of the brain make this statement? His Neocortex was not working. How could he say his brain was dead? Simple. He is a silly , superstitious man, who had a good dream and now is making money off of it. The reality is that science saved him. Medicines that were not available 20 years ago, saved his life. How does he repay this kindness? He feeds the extremist Christians with a load of crap that they are feeding to their children.

Superstitions are dangerous. They are the basis for prejudice, violence and wars. Dr. Alexander is fueling this fire with his book and false claims. Congratulations on your Newsweek cover story. You have no idea of the damage you have done.

The medical and educational communities should shun him for his inappropriate leveraging of his title to sell a book of fairy tales and lies.

Itia (Abroad)

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  1. Jim
    October 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    The “dream loss” study speculated that the damage to the right inferior lingual gyrus and subsequently, the deep bilateral occipital lobe was responsible for the loss. Isn’t that in the neocortex?

    • October 15, 2012 at 2:34 am

      Cortex Map

      Take a look at the cortex map. This is the part of the brain that Dr. Alexander said was “non-functioning”. It is all conscious functions and features. With the cortex malfunctioning, people are locked in a dream state.

      Hence Dr. Alexander was dreaming. He knows it. He is just caught up in the hysteria that accompanies superstition and any sliver of hope that the superstition is valid. Hence the people who fear Friday the 13th, the number 666, or walking under ladders.

  2. SJ
    October 15, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I’m neither defending to advancing Dr. Alexander’s claim, but you (and the previous commenter) are completely wrong about the brain. The neocortext (literally, “new” cortex) is the outer layer of the cerebral cortext – the folds and wrinkles seen on the intact brain. The neocortex is required for dreaming. The 8-year old BBC news article you post refers to woman with a damaged limbic systems and/or amygdala which is ONLY responsible for the emotional content of dreams. ALL other dream content comes from the neocortex. Neuronal tracts ascend from the limbic system and amygdala into the neocortex which gives visual, spatial, verbal, auditory and thought content to dreams. Without the neocortex, dreams CANNOT occur. The very article you link to states that this woman resumed having dreams (even with her damaged limbic system/amygdala), though they were “less vivid.” That makes perfect sense as the part of her brain responsible for giving dreams emotional content is damaged. If you are going to try to refute Dr. Alexander (a neurosurgeon), you might want to consult scientific sources instead of a news rags composed of journalists trained in the liberal arts who have next to no knowledge of science and the human body, as evidenced by the child-like explanations of brain function in the article that are repeated here on your blog.

  3. SJ
    October 15, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Look bro, you are in over your head, but you’ll never admit it. Your response further reinforces that you have no training in anatomy, physiology or medicine (I do), but you are going to maintain your stance no matter what. I am not posting from websites that I have “googled” (you obviously are) but from knowledge of the structure and function of the human brain that I have through formal, graduate-level training.

    Here’s a brief lessen: every mention of “cortex,” or “cortical” in your previous post refers to the neocortex! It is the outermost layer of the brain and covers the entire brain (except the midbrain and stem). When you see a picture of a brain with its “wrinkles” (gyri and sulci) you are seeing the neocortex (or just “cortex” for short).

    This includes the above mentioned orbito-frontal and anterior cingulate cortices – these are just part of the neocortex. The whole neocortex is divided into lobes: frontal, temporal, occipital, parietal. Whenever you see mention of these, it to is referring to the neocortex. In short, your post proves exactly what I stated in my first post – that the neocortex is essential/required for dreaming!

    If you are still with me at this point, please note that I NEVER said (re-read my post) that the neocortex is the only place dreams originate. In fact, I said nothing even similar to that. I said that dreams involve the limbic system/amgydala (which gives dreams emotion) and various parts of the neocortex, which gives dreams spatial, verbal, auditory and though content.

    • October 16, 2012 at 11:27 am

      Ah….the elitism. smell it? I love being liberal until I see the snobs of education belittling the rest of the world.

      I am not a doctor. I am an engineer. I do have alot of class time in life sciences, including anatomy. I am fully aware of the cortex and neocortex. The website of Dr. Alexander mentioned it as the cortex, so I stayed with that line of terminology for the sake of linear logic.

      I stand by my statement that the dream state comes from more than just the “neocortex” as you so bluntly stated.

      I also can go into the different states of “shock” that the brain cells can display when infected with a virus or bacteria. Being that his neocortex fully recovered, it was indeed not dead as he claims in his book.

      The bottom line is that , like you, Dr. Alexander is a snob who makes wild assumptions, without any valid testing, that goes against science research. He is using his PHD to push superstitious dribble. The book is irresponsible and dangerous. It is an extreme departure from the scientific method. It is like saying you saw a Phoenix feather fly from a volcano, or that the homosexuals of New Orleans created Katrina.

      Tangents are a tool for the weak mind. Stay on topic and explain why it is (in your mind) impossible that Dr. Alexander’s experience was a dream (as he so states in his book). I am more than happy to continue that line of discussion.

    • Non-Biased
      June 24, 2013 at 5:53 am

      Hehe..well said SJ..This article happened when an engineer thought doing a surgery…tch..tch..I wish he would agree someday..

  4. maek h
    October 27, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    The girl, we later find out is his sister whom he had never seen. He says it wasn’t until months after that he saw a picture of her and figured out it was her. You would think with all that communication without words up there in heaven she could have let him know they were siblings. He is full of crap.

  5. slaxx
    November 12, 2012 at 12:44 am

    MOST OF YOU SOUND VERY ANGRY AND OVERLY EDUCATED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT AN EARTHLY EDUCATION HAS NO PART OF. I SUPPOSE YOU ARE THINKING WITH THE RATIONAL RIGHT SIDED APPROACH TO A TOPIC THAT IS PURELY SPIRITUAL AND HAS NO ROOM FOR IT. ONE QUESTION: HAVE YOU EVER DIED AND CAME BACK?. FLATLINED ON AN OPERSTING TABLE, OR EVEN HAD A LUCD DREAM FOR THAT MATTER? YO KNOW THAT THE WORLD AND UNIVERSE IS COMPLEX AND NO PERSON EVER TO LIVE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE CAN NO EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. YOUR COMPLETELY CLOSED MINDED, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. IF ALL YOU BELIVE IN IS DARKNESS AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE, THEN THATS PROBEBLY ALL YOU WILL EVER GET. GOD WILL GRANT YOU WHAT YOU TRULEY BELIVE IN–NOTHING.

  6. Robert Zeller
    November 28, 2012 at 3:36 am

    Interesting. But it is one thing to have the experience, which we certainly can accept at face value, and another to go so far as to write an entire book on the interpretation of the experience, most of which is not acceptable at face value, but myth dressed up as if by scientific method..

  7. November 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    “Proof of Heaven” offers no proof and “The Science of Heaven” is not science. Eban’s beliefs are not proven by evidence that rules out alternative explanations: his images could have come from other parts of the brain or from the time when he was regaining functions.. The relevant scientific community has not back his claims in a peer-reviewed publication. Shame on “Newsweek” in pandering to general desires for an beautiful afterlife with one person’s biased account using his MD status.

  8. Megan S.
    December 22, 2012 at 1:10 am

    It was interesting though that he said there were multiple universes, a theory that quantum physics have used to scientifically explain life on Earth.

    If there is no source of the love in the universe, there is no reason for love to exist. I don’t remember love being necessary for the physicality of our body and the Earth, yet it exists. Why? If it is not needed to keep the body functioning why does it exist? And it is not so we have community because that is a cop out. Love is from the soul and for the soul. You have to take it out of the equation in order to believe that we are just chemicals and body parts.

    • December 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm

      “If there is no source of the love in the universe, there is no reason for love to exist.”

      Love is a word we created to describe what we feel when attracted, what we feel when we are safe, and what we feel are missing when we are lonely.

      There is EVERY reason for love to exist. We are expressive creatures. Our language is the art of our expression. Love is the “catch all” word for many different experiences. Don’t make the word “love” into something it is not. It is not supernatural. It is just natural. There are many unromantic ways we can describe feelings and actions without using the word love. I am glad we have it. In fact, I believe “self love” is the closest thing to a god in this universe. The reason is that without self love, you cannot unselfishly love others.

      As for the other kinds of love that you are talking about… “true love”, “prince charming love”, “invisible god love”…..these are all uses of this word that are linked to the greatest crimes and abuses of our human history.

  9. Megan S.
    December 22, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    So believing in spirituality is to blame for all the wars and greatest crimes of the world. Not power or greed? Not corrupt, bitterness, hatred or lack of acceptance or forgiveness? A fork is excellent tool for eating, yet if someone uses it to stab someone, is the fork at fault

    • December 26, 2012 at 4:40 am

      failed anology: forks and murder?

      I don’t want to get into any arguments about an imaginary god not being the problem, but mankind being the problem. Of course mankind is the problem. There is no god. Mankind invented god in order to solve the issue of death. At that time god was an “eating fork”, then once mankind realized that people were so sad about their short lives that they would trade their real life for an imaginary afterlife, the fork became a “forking murder weapon”

      I hope that explains the reality of religion. If not, read my current blog about Hong Xiuquan

  10. Charlotte Settimi
    January 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son. Whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Do I believe that “yes”. I am not a scientist, and I do not have a Phd in medicine. I do know that God exists and He does love us whether we believe in him or not. I have seen Him perform miracles that have stood up against science and medicine. My daughter almost died a year ago from a allergic reaction to a drug perscribed by a doctor. Her liver and kidneys stopped working. They said she would probably have to be on dyalysis the rest of her life, and that she would need to be put on a liver transplant list. Not only did God heal her, her liver is completely normal and so are her kidney’s. Her own internal medicine doctor told her that people do not come back from failed liver and kidney functioning without permanent damage. Many people were praying for her. My pastor came and prayed for her while she was in ICU. Immediately after he prayed for her, her condition started to improve. I have personally witnessed many miracles God has performed through the years. The biggest miracle however is when a person accepts God’s gift of eternal life, His son.

    I am not in agreement with Dr. Alexanders description of Heaven, but then I have never been there. I so hope however, that when people read his book they will desire to know more about what God has for his creation. That there is life after death and God has made a way for us to spend the rest of eternity with Him.

    Those of you who do not believe in life after death, I know that someday you will need God, and when you do he will be there for you.

    • January 16, 2013 at 6:33 pm

      Charlotte,

      You are one of the sweet Christians who I do not want to hurt or confront. There is no benefit to being an atheist other than having an unclouded mind. When I was young, I was a participant in Christianity…that was before I studied it. Believe me, I do not want to break your belief in the fairytale. For you, and people like you, it is no danger to our world for you to believe in what you believe. Unfortunately, there are too many who are militant Christians. It is only natural, when you believe that 90% of the world is going to hell, to act in ways that are counter productive to creating a wonderful and peaceful society. Those are the Christians that I confront.

      Now about your statement. I must comment for anyone else who reads what you have written.

      “I have seen Him perform miracles that have stood up against science and medicine.” I am sorry, but you have not. Every claimed miracle is explainable. But even if they were not…the horrors of this world show ample proof that no caring deity is at the wheel of the vehicle. For those with great power, comes great responsibility. If there is an all powerful being….they completely fail as a god or as any responsible being.

      “My daughter almost died a year ago from a allergic reaction to a drug perscribed by a doctor. Her liver and kidneys stopped working. They said she would probably have to be on dyalysis the rest of her life, and that she would need to be put on a liver transplant list. Not only did God heal her, her liver is completely normal and so are her kidney’s. Her own internal medicine doctor told her that people do not come back from failed liver and kidney functioning without permanent damage.”

      The article about Eben Alexander is a good example of how indeed peoples organs start working again after they have stopped. In fact it happens more times than not. The idea that a human organ cannot start again once stopped is not logical. Our very DNA structure is based on “repair” and “growth”.

      The example I always use with Christians is this…

      For god to regrow an arm or a leg is just as easy as restarting or regrowing an internal organ. Why is it that religious people always have “miracles in the dark”. In places that are not observable, and definitely not subject to the “scientific method of scrutiny”. Find any amputee in this world, and pray forever that god regrows their arm. I am sure that a million prayers a day go to god from amputees asking him / her to regrow the arm, leg or finger……it never happens. Why? Because no one is listening.

  11. January 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    You poor souls, spending all your time trying to disprove anything and everything. Nothing will ever change Dr. Alexander’s after life experience because it was real! How do I know? Because I have had the same experience one in near death and several in life experiences as my loved ones finally were called “home.” Scientific knowledge and so called facts don’t change them or hold a little grain of salt that can disprove one’s personal experience with theGlorious presence of God! No one or nothing else can disprove because God is way way beyond “human understanding.”

  12. Cora
    February 7, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    For those who claim to be atheist …are you happy and fulfilled in life or are you constantly looking for something to criticize and are generally frustrated. A lot of negative energy is spent disputing what someone else has expressed as beautiful – try looking for the positive in life instead of the negative and you may just notice you feel a lot better.

    • February 8, 2013 at 1:47 am

      Cora…thanks for putting forth your negative energy. Unfortunately you would make a poor atheist. We don’t kill people who disagree.

    • Mare
      April 19, 2013 at 4:00 pm

      It seems most athiezts I’ve met ACT ad if they are full filled…then something life altering happens and they are left with one question: “What happens after I die?”…It takes more effort…more faith to NOT believe than it dies to believe…it takes more work once you believe…then it does if you choose not to believe. Its a sad commentary of our era…I suppose the don’t believe in the “wind” either…you know…becuz they can’t see it.

  13. ThePopeII
    February 9, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I have found Eben Alexander’s story to be fascinating, and personally, I believe he does offer a very good glimpse into the truth of our existence. Of course, many other near death experiences from other individuals throughout history have offered similar glimpses, but hearing it from a man who understands the science of the brain should make some of the skeptics think twice. I understand that people will try to argue that his entire experience was “just a dream” but I don’t understand the seeming animosity towards him. Eben himself said something like “This isn’t a fight, we are all in this together, we all want to know the truth about our existence.” He is simply offering his experience. One has to wonder why some people are so bent on believing that existence is a meaningless random accident, and what would it take for such individuals to believe otherwise? Logically, everything that exists is going to be a reflection of some sort on the ultimate source (aka God) of everything.

    • TheCable
      April 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm

      “One has to wonder why some people are so bent on believing that existence is a meaningless random accident, and what would it take for such individuals to believe otherwise?”

      Because some people prefer the truth rather than what feels good. The Matrix is a good analogy. A lot of people will prefer to be “plugged in” rather than see the reality.
      The problem with ALL the supernatural religious related beliefs is that there’s something ridiculously desirable to be gained so people just cannot be unbiased. It’s never the opposite. It always ties in to our, as intelligent species, desires.
      I mean, honestly, the idea that our mind survives after death or that we may have eternal life ahead of us is, and this isn’t even an exaggeration,*THE* very ultimate desire, the pinnacle of, I don’t know, existence. 70 something years compared to infinity is, well, nothing. Also includes ability to meet dead relatives, a force which evens out all the wrongs etc.
      So people have been trying to find ways to “cheat” death after the demise of our physical bodies since the civilization started. It’s just how we are, apparently.
      So being sceptical of these type of claims IS the “correct” stance if you want to understand the nature of our reality to the best possible extent.

      There was some kind of study in England, I believe. where they were planning to setup shelves in the ~1500 patients or surgery rooms, which were only visible from the ceiling and if the patient claimed to have had an ODE, they would be asked to describe those pictures. Not a great description, but that’s the general idea you can probably find it pretty easily. I’m not sure what happened to it I think it’s from 2008.
      This isn’t even very advanced, it’s kind of a very basic test when you think about it.

      So yes, if the results were unbiased and clearly weren’t tampered with and it turned out that even if only a couple people were able to do it with accuracy, then yes, I guarantee you that to me personally (can’t speak for other people with sceptical approach), it WOULD be enough to accept that a phenomenon most people call soul, exists.
      I mean, every believer/sceptic in anything are sure they can remain unbiased in the presence of proof so it doesn’t say much, but to me something like that would work very easily.
      You can say that these type of events have happened before, but they are just random isolated cases with no documentation except for random anecdotal experiences from extremely biased people. Psychological phenomenons and bias is a huge issue in this type of field, the same with religious “miracles”.

  14. Aska
    February 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    “Unfortunately you would make a poor atheist. We don’t kill people who disagree.”

    Geeps! I must be in some “other universe” when I read this sentence! As I obviously didn’t have to risk my life sleeping 2 nights in snowy mountains to escape from one of the Worst ATHEIST systems ever to be produced on this Earth = Socialism/Communism!
    Do you know How many MILLIONS of innocent people your “pure” atheists Murdered in this fully Atheistic system? Russia(= Sovietskyj Sojuz), China, Vietnam, Cuba, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland – the Whole East Europe and more….
    There is no bigger criminal on this planet that Stalin was! and yet you are trying to tell me/us/all the millions murdered, that ATHEISTS are the “pure/sweet guys” and that Christians are the Only reasons for wars and the evil in the world?
    D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g!

    • Mare
      April 19, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      You hive atheists too much credit when you put the word in Caps…God>atheist…nuff said. 🙂

  15. Ranzabar
    February 19, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    “Nothing shall cross this mind, unless it is well defined. You just have to be resigned” – Pete Townsend.

    Sorry Dr. Alexander. Your story just doesn’t pass “The Who” test

  16. christine
    February 24, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Atheists are just as annoying and frightening as people dedicated to their organized religion. Both are completely self righteous and proclaim they are correct, rational and obtain more intelligence than the other. It’s truly annoying. If both sides of the extremists can admit noone truly knows about an afterlife or a god, maybe humanity would be more tolerable. These posts are perfect examples.

    • July 4, 2013 at 10:19 pm

      I totally agree!

      • August 17, 2013 at 1:13 am

        Honestly….I have never injured or killed anyone in my life. Nor do I consider myself “righteous”. My words just come out extreme during these extreme times. I truly want the middle where you can believe in anything as long as it does not affect another persons right to live their life.

  17. Mina
    March 19, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Regardless of what you feel about Dr. Alexander; there are others who have had NDEs that defy explanation, i.e., Anita Moorjani is one and Thomas Mellen Benedict, who both had terminal cancer. They died and came back and were immediately cured of their cancers.

  18. mare
    April 19, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Then…don’t read it! I’m tired of atheists and their ridiculous ramblings of how they believe in no God yet give him all this attention and fanfare. I mean, generally people who have more to say about what they don’t believe are probably scared that deep down…they really do…because of that still, small, yet ever presenting nagging feeling that there is a God keeps them up all night long and has them pondering long and hard regarding the many facets of their so called “atheistic” beliefs. So, if you are truly an atheist as you so heartily espouse…why go through all the trouble giving something or someone that to YOU at least…invariably doesn’t exist anyway? I mean, I font believe in the Lockness Monster but I’m not going to make a scene, and have a caniption over it because I’m quite comfortable in my belief that there is no lock ness monster and by my trying to convince you otherwise would really be a terrible waste of my precious time. So, you’re an atheist…OK. Your point?

  19. Jhase
    April 19, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    You are ignorant.

  20. Gtfer
    April 27, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I could have sworn Dr Eben only became a Christian after his NDE, he’s stated several times that he had no belief in an afterlife prior to his NDE

  21. JLfromNC
    June 16, 2013 at 4:46 am

    Why I believe the Bible and not Eban A. Despite having several of them, the Apostle Paul deliberately avoided using NDE as a foundation for proving the testimony of faith. You are patronizing Christians as believing in fairytales yet the very Bible Christians ought to study to have discernment about such claims as Eban makes agrees with the point you are trying to make–that his claim cannot be proven to be anything more than a dream. And as such should not be used as testimony of true religious experience. There is but one claim that can be made to testify of faith and that is that “God is light and in Him is no darkness.” This was the message that the Apostle John attributed to Jesus. So, there’s a logical basis for examining testimony of truth claims. And interestingly enough it is impossible to deny as irrational the claim that Jesus made, “I am the…truth,” without asserting some statement that would depend upon the very logic needed to deny truth. Therefore as former atheist CS Lewis said Christ was either a liar or lunatic or Lord.

  22. Mary
    July 2, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    This has been a very long comment stream, and maybe somewhere along the line I’ve missed the best, and in my mind the ONLY concrete evidence that these NDE claims are true. Specifically, how do you explain the now famous story of the SNEAKER found out on the hospital ledge, as confirmed by a NDE’er who describes being “out of her body” and traveling around the hospital when she spotted a sneaker that had somehow fallen out of a 4th floor window?? When the sneaker was later located (and her claim validated) by the baffled staff, they noted that the sneaker was partially hidden behind a drainpipe, and was not visible from the street. So, how did she KNOW that the sneaker was there unless she SAW it????

    Or, the guy who awoke in the recovery room asking (rather prematurely) for his dentures. Unfortunately, the staff couldn’t find them, but this man told them that he saw them take the dentures out of his mouth and place them in a hospital cart drawer. Yes, that’s exactly where they were found.

    Or, when those blind from birth can accurately describe, with unbelievable clarity, and 20/20 vision, the quite detailed descriptions of their NDE??

    Or, when children from Atheist families—not even three years old—can wake up in the recovery room saying “I saw Jesus and my grandma!”……(or an angel, or whoever they may happen to see!) Yes, atheists “see” things as they pass, and they usually refer to this being as “The Light”.

    Or, when stage 4 malignant tumors spontaneously…(and, in my opinion, miraculously!!)…disappear causing the doctor to scratch his head because he can’t explain it??

    Or, when conversations of loved ones are “seen” and “heard” from many miles away and their content confirmed, even though they were spoken from their home while the patient lay lifeless in their hospital bed?

    I agree that I have a difficult time feeling comfortable with Fundamentalist Christians using this new wave of NDE books, tapes, u-tube videos, etc., to push their biblical, fire and brimstone agenda. In fact, when I first discovered Near Death Experience stories, I was a total BELIEVER in almost everybody’s story! Good grief, how naive?!? LOL! Now, however, I am a lot more discerning when deciding what, and what NOT to believe. One only has to look on the bookshelves of popular bookstores to know that “everybody is jumping into the act…$$$$$”!!! It’s truly annoying.

    In conclusion, I’m not sure what the answer is, but I do know that as a divorced Catholic, who for a very long time felt at odds with her Church over their ANNULMENT requirement before I can “move on” to another loving relationship after divorce, I have come to take comfort in the messages, whether true or not, brought back from “beyond the veil” that speak of a different, less SCARY(!!) God than the one depicted in the Bible. This God of NDE’s is tolerant, accepting, unconditionally loving, and will accept me “as is” because I am His child. I am now satisfied with the notion that there are no real “rules” to follow other than the one GOLDEN rule: Love yourself, and one another, as I have Loved You.

    And, my friends, that is enough to give me HOPE where I once had none.

    We ALL need hope!!

  23. Jim Verner (missionary to Cambodia)
    August 26, 2013 at 7:49 am

    I will accept anything that has given JESUS center stage. If Jesus is in charge of NDE then it is for real, because He leads us to God, He forgives our sins and grants eternal life. Make Jesus Lord then discuss all issues within the framework of Who Jesus is!

    James

    • August 26, 2013 at 9:06 am

      “i believe, because I believe” AND “First bow before my fairytale God AND then we can discuss it”. Its mind blowing how mind washed these Christians are. It’s the most dangerous virus in the world. Believe in the Afterlife and let the here and now turn to absolute crap. And just as a virus….Mr. Verner is spreading his disease to the uneducated and needy. Promising a good afterlife to those who live in a type of hell now. Enough to make your stomach turn. Just like the child molester offering candy to a child who only wants a sweet taste. Last time the Christians visited Cambodia and tried to convert the masses by force, they left between 4 and 6 million unexploded mines as a gift to the “nonbelievers”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mines_in_Cambodia

      It just goes to show that even the victim of violence, and the descendent of that victim of violence will go right back to the criminals who injured them if the offer is sweet enough.

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